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Rievier: They always try to get more devs./publishers here, no doubt, but we will never see day one games, hell, even year one games from big publishers here, no matter how much we want to. It doesn't make sense as a business for them, especially knowing how they pay a ton of money to add anti-tamper methods.
Not to mention that nowadays, a lot of those publishers want to be like Steam, by adding digital stores to their sites.
Yeah, it's bleak, but I wouldn't say 'never'. Stranger things have happened.Not to mention that nowadays, a lot of those publishers want to be like Steam, by adding digital stores to their sites.
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visconteprimus: Theese guys have replied that GOG itself is a sort of pirated games store...
Oh well then... I've said it before and I'll say it again.Rievier
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GR00T: Yeah, it's bleak, but I wouldn't say 'never'. Stranger things have happened.
I think it depends on where the industry goes, so yes, things can change, but it will most likely be years if lucky, or decades if not, to see those changes. If they want to see a change quicker, then CD Projekt Red needs to start making more games, smaller ones, and keep it only on GOG, at least for a year or so. That way, people who haven't heard of GOG, or who think like the ones on this thread, will see that's not the case at all.Post edited November 30, 2017 by Rievier
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yellowblanka: If you can't afford a game, you should do without. Not being able to afford something doesn't entitle you to the fruits of others labors for nothing. I'd have some sympathy if it's a matter of survival - if you're starving and you steal some food to survive, but these are games. If you can afford the broadband connection to torrent games, you can afford the odd AAA game on a sale and you certainly should have no problem connecting to Steam's authentication server.
Rozenman: Actually piracy is a legit(by my standarts of life not by the law) way to try the game before byuing it(you can check how they will run on your rig etc, another moment for it, it is the so-called DLC prostitution which is quite severe nowadays and some other douche-style publisher moves.Not to mention the fact that some games have very bad EULA where you technically don't own the game but just have the right to use digital code. As for Steam I have perma ban on it's forums for 'promoting piracy' which was just a lame excuse for the fact that they sold out a game without cd-keys and I made a big rant topic about that in which i said that they force me to crack the game or pirate it instead of purchasing games from them. It resulted in perma-ban though they sent keys to all users(so the goal was kinda achieved anyway) and I Havn't been purchasing stuff in Steam since then, thoug i still use some stuff i already had in it aswell as some gifts from friends. I hear that justification all the time, but then if somebody has a presumably working copy of a game on their hard-drive, what's motivating them to pay $60 for a legal license? I don't buy that most people are going to do the right thing when they have a working copy of a game, and the penalty for piracy is a slap on the wrist from their ISP. Casual piracy by people well able to afford their games (they can afford the computer to run the games/broadband connection to pirate them after all), is pretty rampant.
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Rozenman: Actually piracy is a legit(by my standarts of life not by the law) way to try the game before byuing it(you can check how they will run on your rig etc, another moment for it, it is the so-called DLC prostitution which is quite severe nowadays and some other douche-style publisher moves.Not to mention the fact that some games have very bad EULA where you technically don't own the game but just have the right to use digital code.
As for Steam I have perma ban on it's forums for 'promoting piracy' which was just a lame excuse for the fact that they sold out a game without cd-keys and I made a big rant topic about that in which i said that they force me to crack the game or pirate it instead of purchasing games from them. It resulted in perma-ban though they sent keys to all users(so the goal was kinda achieved anyway) and I Havn't been purchasing stuff in Steam since then, thoug i still use some stuff i already had in it aswell as some gifts from friends.
yellowblanka: I hear that justification all the time, but then if somebody has a presumably working copy of a game on their hard-drive, what's motivating them to pay $60 for a legal license? I don't buy that most people are going to do the right thing when they have a working copy of a game, and the penalty for piracy is a slap on the wrist from their ISP. Casual piracy by people well able to afford their games (they can afford the computer to run the games/broadband connection to pirate them after all), is pretty rampant. Well i buy those games cos i have a reasonable sense of respect to the developer and publisher and that motivates me. I am not telling you that it's a righteous thing but i am just sharing the way of life and my point of view. At the same time i will never ever buy the game from a publisher who sells graphical options in dlc or cuts out stuff from the game just to sell it as a DLC (brightest examples are Sega with the TW series for example or Bioware(i know they were no the publisher) with ME).As for Steam I have perma ban on it's forums for 'promoting piracy' which was just a lame excuse for the fact that they sold out a game without cd-keys and I made a big rant topic about that in which i said that they force me to crack the game or pirate it instead of purchasing games from them. It resulted in perma-ban though they sent keys to all users(so the goal was kinda achieved anyway) and I Havn't been purchasing stuff in Steam since then, thoug i still use some stuff i already had in it aswell as some gifts from friends.
Post edited December 01, 2017 by Rozenman
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GOG seems infamous on GOG among some users... Unbelievable.
It's simply incredible! Many people on GOG are going to piss off due to a growing presence of DRM and loot boxes like in GWENT.
So, they try to 'wake up' other users about this issue (which probably will ruin videogaming).
The replies are... Very dishearthening, at least: the majority don't care about the ethical problems behind DRM. But this is quite predictable: there is a lot of ignorance about it.
The thing that amazed me, however, was a little group of users. These guys have replied that GOG itself is a sort of DRM games store...
What the Hell is going on in those minds!?
Sorry for this outburst...
It's simply incredible! Many people on GOG are going to piss off due to a growing presence of DRM and loot boxes like in GWENT.
So, they try to 'wake up' other users about this issue (which probably will ruin videogaming).
The replies are... Very dishearthening, at least: the majority don't care about the ethical problems behind DRM. But this is quite predictable: there is a lot of ignorance about it.
The thing that amazed me, however, was a little group of users. These guys have replied that GOG itself is a sort of DRM games store...
What the Hell is going on in those minds!?
Sorry for this outburst...
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Gog is a very small fish in a big ocean so not being caught is the bait that Gog refuses to take.
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victorchopin: Steam... forums?
Say no to drugs, kids.
This forum also has its own share of cancers. It's not just limited to Steam's. Say no to drugs, kids.
zeroxxx: Want to make GOG as a god in front of Steam users? Make the games they want available here. Hello Nier: Automata. Hello Final Fantasy XV. Hello Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Hello Resident Evil 7. Hello Dota 2. Hello CS: GO. Hello PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUND. Hello Star Ocean. Hello regional pricing (for me, it's proper IDR).
Rievier: All of those games rely on DRM, or to be more precise, the companies that publishes those games, so how exactly do you think that a DRM-free store can get those games? Also, Dota 2 and CS are games made by Valve, so it'd be pretty stupid on Valve part if they'd release their games on another site. It's jut like EA with their Origin store. You don't see their games on Steam, now do you? They don't. Apart from Dota 2 and CS: GO, the others don't need DRM if GoG somehow can get it. PBG requires login, just as GWENT.
Rievier: All of those games rely on DRM, or to be more precise, the companies that publishes those games, so how exactly do you think that a DRM-free store can get those games?
Also, Dota 2 and CS are games made by Valve, so it'd be pretty stupid on Valve part if they'd release their games on another site. It's jut like EA with their Origin store. You don't see their games on Steam, now do you?
GR00T: I think you're missing his point, which is if you want to lure people away from Steam and onto GOG, somehow GOG needs to be able to get all new and/or highly desired titles on day 1. Not years later. Otherwise they're just going to stick to Steam because they can get the latest and greatest there right naow. Holy shit just realized that naow. Clever play clever play.Also, Dota 2 and CS are games made by Valve, so it'd be pretty stupid on Valve part if they'd release their games on another site. It's jut like EA with their Origin store. You don't see their games on Steam, now do you?
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I think the biggest problem is that you have too many people buying into the 'abandonware' site arguments which have been trying to convince people that old games are now legal and free for downloading for each individual's personal 'historical archiving' purposes.
So when they see the same old games on GoG, they assume GoG is trying to make them pay for something that they have been told over and over again is legally free. And even if they see it here, they think GoG if just selling you additional patches.
It really shouldn't surprise anyone given that many people on these forums have made similar arguments about old games in piracy discussions on these forums too.
So when they see the same old games on GoG, they assume GoG is trying to make them pay for something that they have been told over and over again is legally free. And even if they see it here, they think GoG if just selling you additional patches.
It really shouldn't surprise anyone given that many people on these forums have made similar arguments about old games in piracy discussions on these forums too.
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If legitimately buying games on GOG is the same as piracy, than so is buying a physical CD/DVD, using Google, buying a retro game that could potentially be rom dumped, buying a digital game that might be cracked, using youtube...
Honestly that type of thinking is messed up. Any of the above systems are perfectly legal and could potentially be abused by individuals. So we should shut them all down right?
Honestly that type of thinking is messed up. Any of the above systems are perfectly legal and could potentially be abused by individuals. So we should shut them all down right?
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To me, it follows the line of thinking that old games are not worth playing, and definitely not worth paying for.
Thus if you're gonna play them, don't be dumb and pay for it, if you can get it pirated.
They don't place any real value on these older games, that's my take on it.
Most gamers in the community are locked in some form of 'versus' mode though: Steam versus GOG, old games versus modern games, PC versus console, Nvidia versus AMD, single-player versus multiplayer, realism versus arcade and so on. It's a black and white world.
It's not hard to see why a Steam-fan would consider GOG to be anti-Steam, especially if they have ever visited the GOG forum, and thus associate the GOG store with the same ideology. It's this X-or-Y politics which limits what groups people can identify themselves witth.
Thus if you're gonna play them, don't be dumb and pay for it, if you can get it pirated.
They don't place any real value on these older games, that's my take on it.
Most gamers in the community are locked in some form of 'versus' mode though: Steam versus GOG, old games versus modern games, PC versus console, Nvidia versus AMD, single-player versus multiplayer, realism versus arcade and so on. It's a black and white world.
It's not hard to see why a Steam-fan would consider GOG to be anti-Steam, especially if they have ever visited the GOG forum, and thus associate the GOG store with the same ideology. It's this X-or-Y politics which limits what groups people can identify themselves witth.
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yellowblanka: Wasn't there some thread years back where somebody posted a screenshot to a torrent containing basically the entireity of GOG's catalog (at that point)?. A DRM-free store is a good idea, but they're trusting the public to not just leech everything for free, and since software/media etc. piracy amounts to a slap on the wrist from your ISP and is incredibly easy, and 'everybody does it', it's a real problem. I'm not of the mind that every pirated copy is a 'lost sale', but that doesn't mean piracy isn't a concern.
I had a Steam user tell me the almost all of the games on TPB where from gog. I'll do now what I did for him.
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Looking at TPB now
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1st page
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the other 29 are a mix of Steam only release (including another copy of cuphead), Origin only release and Vanilla WoW.
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2 GoG games, Witcher 3 and Terraria
Again the other 28 are Steam and Origin releases.
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1 GoG game, Undertail
Again the other 29 are Steam and Origin releases.Including Outlast which is available via gog (but its a Steam crack)
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Zero GoG game.
However there is Mount + Blade Warband, Outlast 2 and another Cuphead, all available via GoG but they're Steam cracks.
5th Page
Zero GoG Games.
Steam cracked versions of Witcher 3 and Mount + Blade
6th page
Zero GoG games.
Spore, New Vegas and original Sin 2, all available via GoG but these are Steam, Origin cracks.
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Kingdoms and Castles, FO3 and Factoria are there as Steam cracks even though DRM free gog versions are available
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Shadow Warrior 2, oblivion and Witcher 3 are there with Steam cracks even though a GoG option would be easier.
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Tropic 5 and Evoland 2 are there with Steam Cracks.
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GoG has 14 entries
There are 18 entries where it could have been a gog version, but it was actually a Steam crack.
So in no way at all is releasing DRM free any more of a significant risk to piracy that using Steam or Origin.
Oh and do you know what this Steam user said when confronted with this Hard evidence.
Yeh, but you didn't search for GoG
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Pheace: I think people shouldn't get their hopes up that Denuvo is somehow raising people's anti-DRM awareness to the evils that are DRM for legit buying consumers.
Denuvo has been the recipient of massive complaints right from the getgo. Not because it was some massive nuisance or legit buyers were massively inconvenienced by it, but because of the opposite. Because it inconvenienced the pirates.
That's what's driving many of the anti-Denuvo complaints. The fact that it's removing the option to pirate (less and less so over time but AC Origins is up to a month at least again)
In that same sense, part of the extra drive for people to 'go to GOG' is also with the thought behind it that, if the game releases on GOG, it won't be burdened by a DRM that will prevent pirates from playing that game.
TLDR, I wouldn't take too much stock in a drive on the Steam forums on DRM ending up in a big change of heart in people, though it might still end up being a (slight) pro for GOG, even if it's being pushed for likely the wrong reasons.
THIS. Denuvo has been the recipient of massive complaints right from the getgo. Not because it was some massive nuisance or legit buyers were massively inconvenienced by it, but because of the opposite. Because it inconvenienced the pirates.
That's what's driving many of the anti-Denuvo complaints. The fact that it's removing the option to pirate (less and less so over time but AC Origins is up to a month at least again)
In that same sense, part of the extra drive for people to 'go to GOG' is also with the thought behind it that, if the game releases on GOG, it won't be burdened by a DRM that will prevent pirates from playing that game.
TLDR, I wouldn't take too much stock in a drive on the Steam forums on DRM ending up in a big change of heart in people, though it might still end up being a (slight) pro for GOG, even if it's being pushed for likely the wrong reasons.
At least talking to the guys at the r/assassinscreed community is pleasant to me, even though a majority of them think Denuvo is good/ Volski pirate guy is bad, compare to the ones in the Steam forums (Well, I heard that the Steam forums are mostly toxic. So, I just keep to my side of the lane). Unknown that there's four DRMs: Steam, Uplay, VMProtect, and Denuvo. - Buying it from Uplay will result in three: Uplay, VMProtect, and Denuvo.
Yeah, I busted Ubisoft a while back before the game came out, reporting that it has it in this little group. Link: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/DenuvoGames
Ricky_Bobby: To me, it follows the line of thinking that old games are not worth playing, and definitely not worth paying for.
Thus if you're gonna play them, don't be dumb and pay for it, if you can get it pirated.
They don't place any real value on these older games, that's my take on it.
Most gamers in the community are locked in some form of 'versus' mode though: Steam versus GOG, old games versus modern games, PC versus console, Nvidia versus AMD, single-player versus multiplayer, realism versus arcade and so on. It's a black and white world.
It's not hard to see why a Steam-fan would consider GOG to be anti-Steam, especially if they have ever visited the GOG forum, and thus associate the GOG store with the same ideology. It's this X-or-Y politics which limits what groups people can identify themselves witth.
That's depressing, Ricky. I value consoles, pcs, old, modern, single, multiplayer, and such. I didn't know that there's a rivalry, the console wars I understand. That would explain some things, like me looking for more updated info about Uplay...The hate is real! Hard for me to find good info about it, especially since I found out that Ubisoft fixed some of the issues (Still causes me a few problems, but it's better than that nightmare when it first came out. One can play games offline).Thus if you're gonna play them, don't be dumb and pay for it, if you can get it pirated.
They don't place any real value on these older games, that's my take on it.
Most gamers in the community are locked in some form of 'versus' mode though: Steam versus GOG, old games versus modern games, PC versus console, Nvidia versus AMD, single-player versus multiplayer, realism versus arcade and so on. It's a black and white world.
It's not hard to see why a Steam-fan would consider GOG to be anti-Steam, especially if they have ever visited the GOG forum, and thus associate the GOG store with the same ideology. It's this X-or-Y politics which limits what groups people can identify themselves witth.
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Not sure what point you;re trying to make here but: mechmouse: Looking at TPB now
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